Letter to the men on the Left
Dear Leftist men,
We should be on the same side. We’re in the same corner on the issues of Western imperalism, we all recognise that poverty is the result of the greed of others and isn’t a ‘natural disaster’ for which no-one is responsible. We despise the exploitation of those who have least power in the world, we feel deep shame for all the crimes that have been committed in our names. We agree that we must all be aware of our class and race privileges if we have them, and we must be always ready to question our deepest thoughts and assumptions. We all know we have to be the change we want to see in the world, or whatever.
But we find there is a barrier, a fine mesh screen that you have put up and refuse to peer through. It can’t have escaped your notice that the vast majority of the world’s leaders are male, that worldwide women are economically, socially and physically subordinated to men. You know you may have racial privilege and class privilege, and you know they may be present when you are completely unaware of them. But yet, few of you ever seem to face head on the reality of male power in the world. You have male privilege, which is very likely harder for you to overcome than any other form of privilege you possess.
Don’t tell me I’m defensive. I am, that’s not the point. Don’t tell me that you are 100% for women’s rights, that you are not misogynistic. You don’t get to tell us that; you have to prove it. Just like you know the person who says ‘I’m not racist, but…’ means ‘I am racist, and…’. You have to analyse yourself, your assumptions, your desires, hell yes even your fantasies to see how that privilege has infected you, what it means, and what you can do about it.
For us feminists, dealing with you can be most disillusioning. We support all your campaigns against Western abuses of power and the trampling on human rights that their arrogance allows and excuses, but then our issues will turn up (and, let’s face it, they are your issues too) and suddenly we are treated as the side salad, and not the main course. Our concerns are pushed aside. Abortion, we are told, is a fringe issue. To complain about violence against women in the West is bourgeois privilege. We’re letting down the team, preventing your glorious revolution from beginning. If only we’d play nice, we could sort out all the sexism stuff when we’re all free.
And then, oh ye gods, there’s the dreaded sex industry issue. If we criticise the sex industry you leap on us for being anti-your-freedom. Well let me just take this moment to not give a monkey’s. You have to analyse yourselves. Think. Why do we make such a fuss when you collectively buy Larry Flynt another estate, Hugh Hefner a brand new car? When you proclaim that your purchase of female flesh doesn’t comprimise your supposed feminist creds? Don’t just wave your pornography in our faces and tell us there’s nothing for us to worry our pretty little heads over. At the very least you know that there is abuse of women in the sex industry. That should be enough for you to pause before buying that copy of FHM. We’ve been telling you forever. There are many links on my puny webpage alone, damnit. You should be able to work out that the frequency of abuse means that it is systematically a form of violence against women. And you should be able to look away from the pronouncements made from the female spokeswomen of the flesh industry, and look at the entire structure of women’s bodies that props it up.
When you buy that magazine, you are contributing to an industry that thrives on the sale of women. Dont give me that BS about how it’s natural for you to buy it and drool over it- even if that were true it wouldn’t excuse you. You are perfectly capable of analysing the ideologies that uphold capitalism, neo-conservatism, imperalism, racism. So do it here. Why do you think the idea that men are natural predators and devourers of women is so prevalent? Who does it benefit? At whose expense? Why do you think so much effort is made in the upbringing and education of males and females to keep them different from each other? Why does no-one blink an eye if you go out driving late at night, but lecture a woman on her safety should she even consider such a thing? Why does our society send out message after message demanding women keep themselves inside at night when inside their own homes is statistically where they are least safe?
Can you really look me in the eye (or in this case, in the screen) and tell me that the sex industry’s abuse of women is a bourgeois concern when you know damn well that it is global and inflicts the grossest indignities on the most vulnerable women in the world? Can you really sit there and tell me that there is absolutely no link between your porn consumption and the trafficking of women?
I don’t care if you like your porn. That’s not an argument against us. It’s not even a consideration. You’ve got to do the work involved. It’s not easy, nor should it be. It’s hard to read report after report of rape, of torture, of degradation of women, to listen to daily misogyny ranging from the superior little sneers and whispers to the echoing ranting of the nutcase fundie ideologue. You can no longer treat each act as the deed of one deranged madman. You have to connect the dots.
You owe us.
Yours,
Laurelin Rain
Yes, they do owe us. But every time the bill collector knocks on the door, it’s one excuse after another.
Comment by spotted elephant — November 1, 2006 @ 5:40 pm
Fantastic letter, Laurelin. I may send it to a few people…
Comment by laura — November 1, 2006 @ 7:00 pm
That is brilliant!
I don’t have anyone to send it to unfortunately, but if I did, I would.
I hope you are doing well and your studies are good too.
Take care ok?
Comment by imnotherethisisnthappening — November 1, 2006 @ 9:29 pm
Great post Laurelin! I’ve had these discussions so many times with friends… it just can’t be said enough!
Comment by Artemis — November 2, 2006 @ 2:23 am
Overall a well-written and thought-provoking letter. I do have to disagree with one point, though:
My experience has been that the kind of men you’re addressing give lip service to recognizing their race and class privilege, but so too do they give lip service to recognizing their male privilege.
I would also be careful about making those kind of comparisons — it comes awful close to “oppression olympics” and, indeed, some feminists of colour and/or not of a wealthy class would be able to tell you a very different story about the so-called race/class enlightened people of the Left.
I think the crux of the matter isn’t about what kinds of privilege they are (or seem to be) better at acknowledging, but rather that they present themselves as “always ready to question our deepest thoughts and assumptions”, when what that really means is that they are willing to challenge any assumption… except ones that are threatening to their well-being. Which, while an understandably human reaction (and one I can empathize with, being in the ongoing process of examining my own privilege), is still not acceptable. Not for gender, not for race, not for class, and not for any other kind of privilege out there.
Comment by tekanji — November 2, 2006 @ 11:26 pm
Yep. Lipservice sucks.
And tokenism is the cowards way out.
Fab post L.
“I don’t care if you like your porn. That’s not an argument against us. It’s not even a consideration.”
Why do we even need to be saying this to leftist men?
Oh. Sorry. Forgot. They have the penis and the penis rules. Left. Right. And centre.
Comment by witchywoo — November 3, 2006 @ 3:00 am
I honestly have not read the entire post but I will. http://fearlesslyfeminine.blogspot.com is also a feminist blog I sort of like, but not entirely. I disagree with some of its points.
Comment by Honey — November 3, 2006 @ 12:16 pm
witchywoo,
… I love that line (lol) but I hope it was sarcastic.
… Indeed!
Comment by Honey — November 3, 2006 @ 12:33 pm
Question: Do you think it is possible for ‘men on the right’ to also be pro-feminism? I consider myself a guy who is ‘right’ on many issues.
Comment by Alex — November 7, 2006 @ 2:06 am
Alex, I think why not?
Comment by Honey — November 14, 2006 @ 1:07 pm
Pure psychobabble! You really do have a death wish, don’t you?
Go ahead then! Bring down the last remnants of the white male patriarchy! Tear down the wall. Castrate the bastards, even if some of them are your own brothers, husbands and sons. Destroy their manhood both politically and emotionally! Bring on that feminist utopia! Ra ra ra……..
But wait? Oh, never mind…… Just work hard, ladies; stay single, and keep on aborting those babies! Just keep doing exactly what you’ve been doing and, in time, the Islamo-fascist jehad will be a fact of life in western civilization. The fact of the matter is that feminist men won’t fight for you. In fact, they’ll probably call the retreat and then negotiate a suicidal surrender. You can take it to the bank.
Think you have “man problems” now? Just wait until the Islamo-fascist move in for the kill! Then you’ll have a real “man problem” on your hands! Think about it…………
Comment by reality check — November 18, 2006 @ 12:24 pm
I can’t bring myself to delete this last comment- it’s just too damn funny!
‘Don’t ask to be treated as human beings by men, ‘ladies’, because if you do we won’t protect from, um, men’
Racist, paranoid and misogynist. That’s quite a combo. My dear readers, I think we have the McPatriarchy Special with extra rancid cheese and a large Freedom Fries!
Comment by Laurelin — November 18, 2006 @ 3:49 pm
Hi Laurelin,
Thanks for deciding to not delete my post. Actuially, the gender wars are no laughing matter. It’s a critical choice between traditional masculine expansionism or neo-egalitarian feminist culture rot. Personally, I prefer the former!
Where did this come from?:
‘Don’t ask to be treated as human beings by men, ‘ladies’, because if you do we won’t protect from, um, men’
I never said this! Although, may I suggest that if you liberated feminists would just stop dating brutes and psychopaths then your opinion of men would probably be much heathier.
Nevertheless, the point of my last post was that institutionalized feminism is a violation against the laws of God and nature; and therefore it is a prescription for national and cultural extinction. Look at your own country. In just a few short decades you’ve digressed from the masculine greatness of Churchill and Montgomery to becoming a feminized basket case that has shamefully pulled out of Iraq and which is still too afraid to deal with the Islamo-fascist threat inside your own country. The fate of nations is decided by it’s manpower and you feminists are, in effect, emasculating your defenders. Your rapidly falling birth rates and rising divorce rates point to a morally bankrupt and feminized nation that has lost the will, and ability, to defend itself from invasion - much like France and the USA.
Am I a “Racist, paranoid and misogynist”? No! I’m just pointing out the unbendable laws of God and nature; laws which feminism always violates. Either we obay these laws or else our culture and our way of life will, some day, be overrun and destroyed.
Comment by reality check — November 20, 2006 @ 3:06 pm
“Am I a “Racist, paranoid and misogynist”? No! I’m just pointing out the unbendable laws of God and nature; laws which feminism always violates. Either we obay these laws or else our culture and our way of life will, some day, be overrun and destroyed.”
LMAO, you idiot. Nah, you clearly don’t have a misogynistic or paranoid bone in your body. Put down the Bible and step away…slowwwwllly….
(Sorry, I don’t mean to seem out of line by just popping in here to insult the troll…but who can resist?)
Blessings.
Comment by Faith — November 20, 2006 @ 4:52 pm
Faith, feel free to insult the troll; he’s earned it.
I love the way he assumes that he knows the ‘unbendable laws of God and nature’… every society has used that bullshit to justify their treatment of oppressed groups, especially of women.
Oh and note his use of
Masculine = Good
Feminine = Bad.
Him saying that settles everything doesn’t it? Thank Goddess he has come down here to tell us the unadulterated word of God and Nature! We all must obey otherwise women might be treated like human beings! Won’t someone please think of the children! We have been enlightened! Women- quit thinking for yourselves and protect the fragile egos of men! Sheeesh.
‘I’m not racist, paranoid or misogynist’ is a real giveaway, pal. Play us a new tune, that one went out in Middle Ages.
Comment by laurelin — November 20, 2006 @ 5:39 pm
Note to readers: I’m pretty sure that our Godly Messenger Reality Check is the owner of a certain blog dedicated to how evil women are. (No, I’m not naming it or linking to it)
Note to Reality Check: I have your IP address. Pull any shit on here and I will report you.
Comment by Laurelin — November 21, 2006 @ 1:12 am
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I’ve done a bit of a reply here: http://www.kitnotes.co.uk/74
Replies welcome!
In Solidarity,
Kit
Comment by Kit — November 29, 2006 @ 12:54 am
Thanks Kit, I’ve replied
Comment by Laurelin — November 29, 2006 @ 8:50 am
Lol, beautiful women adored by men are the true bane of feminists!
If getting photos voluntarily taken of you for thousands of dollars a minute constitutes “abuse,” then why doesn’t anyone want to “abuse” me??? Sure beats working the night shift doing heavy labor - but nobody boycotts those industries…
FACT IS, most feminists here would DIE to be FHM models IF they COULD…except they aren’t given that opportunity and so cry sour grapes (and scapegoat men) instead.
Somebody call the WAAAAHHHHHmbulance!
Comment by MJ — December 5, 2006 @ 10:04 pm
I love the way that a troll thinks a stream of unsubstantiated abuse constitutes a rebuttal to a well thought out and written argument.
Hmmm, I think I can do it too…
‘Lol, intelligent feminists sure are the true bane of brainless men!
FACT IS, most misogynists here would DIE to be able to control women… except that when called on it they cry sour grapes (and scapegoat women) instead.
Someone stop the EVIL FEMINISTS! I wish I could get laid!’
Actually, that’s quite a good argument I’ve made there.
By the way, this chap has reminded us THAT IF YOU WRITE A WORD IN CAPITAL LETTERS THAT MAKES IT TRUER!
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again: Duh.
Comment by Laurelin — December 6, 2006 @ 9:16 am
To Reality Check:
>>”It’s a critical choice between traditional masculine expansionism or neo-egalitarian feminist culture rot.”
No, personally I don’t think it is. A lot of this ‘gender war’ stuff is just one of the many distractions to keep people from realizing the demise of 95% of civilization is imminent. “Traditional masculine expansionism” as you put it is out of the question until the human population has been trimmed back drastically. The major governments wants and needs the coming GW catastrophe to happen to ensure survival for the selected few. Quite a few of the top climate scientists have said it’s too late already including Dr Susan Solomon.
http://healthandenergy.com/too_late_to_stop_global_warming.htm
Earth is too crowded:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4584572.stm
Carbon emissions show sharp rise:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/sci/tech/6189600.stm
Permafrost thawing speeds global warming:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,1869000,00.html
Arctic sea ice ‘faces rapid melt’:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6171053.stm
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Laurelin, I very much appreciated your letter, as well as many of the intelligent comments of most of your other responders. And I won’t say it’s because I am exceptionally capable of looking past my gender, class, race and other privileges to sympathize … I would love to think so, but honestly, I’m very suspect of that fantasy and realize that it does a lot of work for my ego without doing much for those who suffer from my privilege. What leaves me spinning, though, is that I don’t know where to start with this stuff, since I don’t believe anyone really cares, deep, deep down inside, to let go of any advantage they have over others, unless they exchange it for an equally good, symmetrical advantage. Meaning, I suspect that were I to take concrete actions to supposedly level the playing field, or even give restitution for the past, I would unconsciously channel this into other actions that take back with the other hand what I have relinquished with the first, only now having the extra benefit of seeming (to the unwise majority, including myself) to be such a nice guy, committed to egalitarianism. In short, as liberal as I may (supposedly) be, I can’t help but secretly think that nobody is willing to just give without also taking as much back, even if they’re already way ahead, which I agree that I am, willy-nilly but still undeniably, in my current subject position. So, while I love to think of myself as a male feminist, I honestly think it still comes down to an ultimate struggle between male and female subject positions that will not change profoundly unless women themselves fight harder, somehow convince men to relinquish power against their better judgment, and really grab what they need with their own hands. I am willing to do all kinds of things on the surface to help this, but I can’t logically see this as really being “for the cause” as much as total, perhaps counterproductive, selfishness, at the deepest level. What I am trying to get at is that I don’t see this as a struggle of conscious women versus conscious men, but conscious women versus the unconscious foces underlying men and the material means at their disposal.
I’m not asking you to agree with this worldview, but I do ask this: what could you say to someone like me who sees it this way? (Though from my perspective, inviting you to convince me that I can have a long-term positive effect as a man is really just a feint, of course, since I would probably unconsciously seek to make up my eventual loss of privilege in some other way.) Maybe one answer is that these changes can’t come about through discourse; that what we’re dealing with is not an operation of convincing, motivating or haranguing through language, but rather a material struggle that only works beneath the surface of language.
Finally, I consciously believe that men stand to gain by greater male-female equality. But I also believe that humans, unconsciously (and often consciously) are too short-sighted to let go of power for any reason, even if it is better for them in the long term. So, in a word, I feel conflicted, but this conflict contains also the hope that women will make up the ground that men have over them, despite even my own insidious efforts to stubbornly keep this privilege.
I am eager to hear intelligent feedback.
Comment by Chapman — March 22, 2008 @ 10:10 pm
Reading around the site, I came upon your section all about Trolls, and this particularly stood out to me: “Trolls will always be trolls, they are the reactionaries in every society, whose self-esteem and privileges depend upon the maintainance of the status quo. They demand our attention because they think they’re owed it. They’re not. Our attention is far too valuable to waste on them.” Maybe you’re right, and I guess what I’ve been saying is something along the lines of “all men are Trolls.” Maybe I shouldn’t be writing anything at all on your website, and I’m sorry if I’m getting in the way of your work here. My hope is that I can offer something by being one more man admitting that conscious actions that feminists usually talk about are probably not enough–men need women not only to show them the way (and get them to get out of the way), but ultimately to do what needs to be done themselves. I think that’s what you’re doing here. And maybe my contribution is just an underhanded attempt to coopt your space, to put my male stamp on it, the way we colonize everything else. Fuck. This is so complicated. But I think a lot of times doing something, rather than nothing, at least contributes to the dialog, provokes a reaction, or something possibly productive. And maybe ignoring me is the most productive thing. Hrm. Hrm. Hrm.
Comment by Chapman — March 22, 2008 @ 10:34 pm