Laurelin in the Rain

May 17, 2006

Know Thine Enemy- Species of Troll

Filed under: Feminism, The Troll Files — Laurelin @ 10:22 am

Disclaimer: I know I said that trolls are best ignored, and I stand by that opinion- not that I'm always level-headed enough to take my own advice. But I think it helps to have a field guide of troll species, so that feminists can be prepared for the delusional onslaught. 

The 'U Whoredykebitchprude' Troll

A member of this species can usually be relied upon to prove whichever point it was that you made in the post they were replying to. It is nice and easy to weed out, and the delete button was invented as a response to its banal utterances. Argument and logic is beyond this species, and it is blissfully unaware that its saying it is so doesn't make it so. Not much point in trying to talk to these ones, unless you just fancy a laugh. They usually come out with a single sentance opinion such as 'u r a hairy legged dyke' (unaware, of course that none of that is actually an insult), 'feminism is crap u r all bitter bitches', 'hahahahaha I pity u u hate men.'

Never expect this species to engage feminists in debate on any intellectual level. It is simply not capable of that. It can be brushed aside with the back of one's hand, and should be dealt with as one would deal with a fruit fly- as a nuisance, but a harmless nuisance.

The Male Entitlement Troll

These creatures often come pretending to be interested in discussing feminism, or the future of feminism, which, surprise surprise, they see in a completely different light to, you know, actual feminists. According to them, feminists have to deal with the way in which white heterosexual males are routinely and systematically oppressed by… um…. white heterosexual males. If a feminist dares to suggest that women are the primary victims of male crime X, the troll will immediately respond 'but it happens to men too!', thereby insisting that 1% of the sufferers of a particular crime get the same amount of attention as the 99%. If a feminist points out that the perpetrators of said crime are 99% of the time male, the troll will reply in one of two ways. Either it will say 'it's not men that commit crime X because then you're saying it's all men and then you've offended me which is obviously the worst thing you could ever do', or it will say 'but here's an instance when a woman committed crime X to a man. Men are soooo oppressed!'

Along with this dubious logic, this troll assumes that it has the right to barge into feminist spaces and be listened to, obeyed, and taken seriously. Any suggestion that it help itself to a nice warm cup of Shut The Fuck Up will be answered with 'you're censoring me!' This call often provokes laughter and derision in the feminist foe.

The MRA Talking Points Troll

This species is very similar to the 'Entitlement' Troll in that it has the same delusional belief that it is entitled to be heard simply because it has a Y chromosome. It spews an acidic form of bile at its opponents which, while it looks and sounds revolting, dissolves when countered with logic, derision, facts and reality. This troll may attempt to appear as if it has done its homework, by citing 'facts' and figures, and will even sometimes include references to where it has found them. However, despite its mighty display it is not to be feared, as the majority of those references will lead the feminist back to an MRA site or some study from 1976 that was discredited twenty years ago. 

It may even, as a last ditch effort to derail feminist conversation, claim that we are at present living in a matriarchy, in which men have no real political influence (don't read this troll's words while drinking; hysterical laughter and soda consumption are not to be attempted at the same time). It will invariably have a story of how it or its associate was screwed over by some eeeeevil woman, and it will expect sympathy and attention because of it. A reply that it has experienced something akin to what women experience everyday will result in a fresh release of venom. So do it, it's funny!

The Chickenshit Troll

This species can display any of the charactaristics of the three troll types detailed above. It can use any one of a million anti-feminist arguments, but it will invariably sign itself as Anonymous. It is unknown how many there are of this species because it is impossible to tell one from another, since each one goes by the same damn moniker. Pointing out that its behaviour is cowardly in the extreme will often lead to silence or roars of indignation, in which it will claim that it doesn't matter that it refuses to give its name since a name means nothing anyway. It will have no qualms about unleashing tonnes of repugnant insults onto the feminist it is attacking, as it refuses to take responsibility for its actions. Best ignored, or edited.

The Pisstake Troll

This troll has 'evolved' from the Chickenshit Troll, and appears to be a relatively new species. It goes under a name it considers 'feminist', and proclaims agreement with views which no feminist has stated. It mixes up the views of different feminists to claim that feminists contradict themselves, and attracts an audience of the other species of troll to join it in snickering about how clever they all are. It will often direct the feminist to a spoof site where views this troll believes feminists to hold are unimaginatively parodied. Luckily, it can only command the attention of the rest of the troll population, and is best just avoided.

31 Comments »

  1. I have also enjoyed Wilfully Ignorant Troll: “I might know nothing about this subject and have made no attempt to educate myself, but my opinion still counts and it’s still your fault that I don’t understand what you’re saying.” There’s also the Lesser Gentleman Troll: “Ladies, ladies, there’s no need to be hysterical” – delivered regardless of the number of actual “ladies” in a given thread or reason why someone might be justifiably pissed.

    Comment by bookdrunk — May 17, 2006 @ 10:33 am

  2. Very comprehensive! And I have a full colour catalogue on my blog under the post ‘Hate’.

    Comment by Laura — May 17, 2006 @ 12:02 pm

  3. That’s hilarious. I recognise them all! I especially loved this

    Along with this dubious logic, this troll assumes that it has the right to barge into feminist spaces and be listened to, obeyed, and taken seriously. Any suggestion that it help itself to a nice warm cup of Shut The Fuck Up will be answered with ‘you’re censoring me!’

    LOL

    Comment by deviousdiva — May 17, 2006 @ 1:37 pm

  4. Loving the list! But I have to add the “I’m just trying to LEARN” troll.

    You know, the one who barges into a discussion asking the same question you answered 3 posts ago. You link back to the post and tell them to read it and they refuse, citing that it’s YOUR responsibility to stop all feminist discussion and answer some hypothetical question that will never actually happen in real life (i.e. “Let’s say that a woman and a man are both of the exact same power differential and this man tells the woman the he doesn’t really want to have sex because he has no condoms on him and this woman throws him onto his back and stick his dick inside of her and gets pregnant even though the man didn’t ejaculate and, like a responsible man he pushed her off of him immediately and got dressed and went home. But the preejaculate was still there and she used it to get herself pregnant. Is that rape? And should he have to pay child support?”) And then, when you refuse to entertain the ridiculous-never-happened-in-a-million-years- question they fly off the handle and accuse you of being a fraud or a man hater.

    And yes, I tried to make that a run on sentence on purpose just to illustrate how tiring it is to read trollspeak. *grin*.

    Comment by bitingbeaver — May 17, 2006 @ 2:32 pm

  5. Genius! I’ve come across all these species on other people’s blogs, but not yet on mine, thank god. I’m sure it’s only a matter of time. There was the one guy who made a ‘joke’ about beating up his girlfriend, but he hasn’t come back since I deleted him.

    Comment by Lucy — May 17, 2006 @ 3:14 pm

  6. I’m so glad you’ve given us this nice and easy feminist blogger’s guide to trolls. Some mug shots may be helpful too (I’m working on it). Trolls by no means represent a minority view and by allowing us to sharpen our nails on them they constitute good practice for real life situations. The moral of every story concerning a troll is ‘walk away’, unless of course one fancies a good laugh. I would add to that list the ‘pseudo-academic troll’ that expects their antagonism go unnoticed under that great big stinking blanket of nonsensical pretentious blah blah blah.

    Comment by Feminist First — May 17, 2006 @ 4:39 pm

  7. I’m just sitting here smiling.

    Beautifully done.

    Comment by witchy-woo — May 17, 2006 @ 4:46 pm

  8. oh that’s brilliant. I am far too nice
    to some trollish guests who hang about
    at RSF.

    Comment by Txfeminist — May 17, 2006 @ 5:43 pm

  9. Excellent!

    How about Psychopath Troll, who comes on on a sensitive post and spews venom along the lines of “yes, I think it is funny when you’re tortured”.

    Comment by spotted elephant — May 17, 2006 @ 8:06 pm

  10. I just tried to put people’s suggestions for other species of troll on a post but damned wordpress ate my post! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. Still, I am accepting submissions for Volume II of my Troll Species collection :)

    Comment by laurelin — May 18, 2006 @ 1:20 pm

  11. How about the Drive By troll, that makes one trollish comment (of any other Troll persuasion) in every post on your blog, then never return.

    Or the Alzheimer’s Troll, closely related, who will argue you to the death on a subject until you back him into a corner and impale him with his own words, at which point he mysteriously vanishes… only to reappear days or weeks later under another post saying the exact same things you cornered him over last time. Repeat ad infinitum.

    Comment by Dubhe — May 18, 2006 @ 2:17 pm

  12. How about Repetition or copy/paste Troll who writes the exact same comment on multiple blogs regardless of the subject and then expects to be taken seriously. Notoriously hard to track down because of their blog-hopping capabilities but once captured, quickly crawl away with tail firmly between its legs, never to be seen again.

    I love the idea of you doing a “dictionary of trolls”. It’s so funny.

    Comment by deviousdiva — May 18, 2006 @ 4:51 pm

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  14. I’ve had a couple who have not only inundated me with comments along the usual ‘you’re a dyke bitch feminazi whore’ lines, but have also stuck up a comment pretending to be a woman discussing how evil men are, that they’re hateful and that they all deserve to die.
    Obviously, we’re so hard-core that they actually have to make up women who fit their accusations. Freaks.

    Comment by Andrea — May 18, 2006 @ 7:59 pm

  15. I have on many occasions encountered the intellectually challenged troll; that breed who opens his/her mouth before the brain has become engaged!

    Comment by Numptie — May 18, 2006 @ 8:01 pm

  16. Don’t forget the “Closet Skinhead” troll. These are the guys (they are all guys) who drop by and start off slow, sometimes ever reasonable, before going off on the plight of the poor downtrodden White Male. After that, it’s off to Goebbels Lite land.

    Comment by David — May 18, 2006 @ 8:52 pm

  17. That made me laugh out loud in the middle of my lab-looks like I’m not doing my lab work! Wonderful Laurelin.

    Comment by Burrow — May 18, 2006 @ 10:48 pm

  18. How about the PrincePoetSensitiveWarrierStallion troll? This guy is oh so sensitive and wants to learn, but he wants to lead the discussion, and when he doesn’t get his way he charmingly resorts to terms like ‘man hater’ and whiners. Sometimes he claims to have been raped. He collects sensitive acolades like charms for a bracelet, and claims that his female friends think you’re a sexually repressed bitch. When contradicted or argued with or not treated as the delicate flower he is, he resorts to the vilest of sexist terms.

    Then, of course, there is PrincessSparklePony. She prides herself on not being a feminist becuase she shaves her legs, loves men, and has only male friends. She assumes all feminist are hirsute man haters. Trolls love her because she says everything they want to, and she’s a woman, so it must be true! She says she wouldn’t hate feminists except they were mean to her because she’s a housewife instead of an insufferable manipulator.

    Comment by ginmar — May 19, 2006 @ 2:30 pm

  19. [...] “Know Thine Enemy – Species of Troll” and “Species of Troll II – More Varieties Spotted,” at Laurelin in the Rain. [...]

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  20. I saw a link here from a fairly troll friendly website. Some trolls are tasteless but some are quite funny.

    Trolls can often expose the moronic prejudices that people have and are not a bad thing. Trolls teach you to think before you emote and when you get used to them they can enhance the quality of your discussion. Having to deal with trolls helps you distingish between your ideological opponents and your prejudiced conceptions of them.

    Granted ‘Women are always lying about rape’ is not a very funny or thought-provoking comment, but shouldn’t you be able to tell that it’s a troll anyway? What does it say about you if you can’t?

    It’s interesting to note that the most right-wing websites have the strictist troll deleting policy. And with good reason. If you go on freerepublic.com and point out that the Republicans are worse than Hamas, those people go ape shit! It’s hilarous!

    If you want to practice trolling I recommend you go here: http://forum.protestwarrior.com/

    These people bother us at our rallies but they are super easy to antagonize online.

    Comment by chickenshit — May 26, 2006 @ 9:27 am

  21. You bitches are fucking kidding right? Almost every one of you c—s that post blogs censor your comments so that you create the atmosphere that everyone agrees with you. And since your demographic is particularly unintelligent – that is, the stupid bitch demographic – then they start believing what they read. Its a good cycle, but unrealistic.

    And this kind of conduct will not get you a man.

    Here is a another cross-breed Troll. This one is a cross between the Male Entitlement Troll (see the 'you should listen to my abuse' undertone) and the U Whoredykebitchprude Troll (liberal use of sexist insults as if that added up to an argument). Edited by Laurelin.

    Comment by Jason — May 26, 2006 @ 9:30 am

  22. It's utterly laughable that you considering your aimless, circle-jerk blogging a "struggle". What are you doing here but being a whiny bitch, preahing to the choir and feeling all self-important? You like feeling victimised because it gives you a purpose, some meaning to your life, that's all. This is a motherfucking BLOG for god's sake.

    Here is an example of the U Whoredykebitchprude Troll. It may be a cross-breed with the Closet Skinhead Troll, given its name. Edited by Laurelin.

    Comment by Racist Joe — May 26, 2006 @ 9:32 am

  23. I’m in search of the troll who claims he is a “neofeminist” not too mention self problaimed “Linguist”? Yet a day before in order to “win” or “outsmart” a woman during a debate tosses his government funded credentials,considers having children a “dull” achievement, and uses other vulgar insults? I’m very eager to get an analysis of this being. . .

    Comment by Skepticgal — August 7, 2006 @ 10:37 pm

  24. That was pretty funny! Lol, thanks for the pick me up, I needed that. :)

    Comment by mrskin — October 5, 2006 @ 6:23 am

  25. Thank you, I thought so too.

    But if you think you can come here to advertise your lame ‘naked celebrity’ (read: female celebrity) site, you’ve got another thing coming.

    You are welcome to bring complements though. I am always magnanimous in victory ;)

    Comment by Laurelin — October 5, 2006 @ 7:29 am

  26. Don’t forget the I’m A Nice Guy So Stop Treating Me Like The Enemy- Or Else! troll.

    Comment by Star Dragon — September 21, 2007 @ 10:23 pm

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  28. LOL! The two trolls above, too funny! Too bad they didn’t realize that they would be perfect examples for you to use to prove your point!

    Comment by victoriasparda — April 18, 2008 @ 11:19 am

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